tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post2952112745623864788..comments2023-12-25T11:13:04.495+00:00Comments on Seraphic Singles: Plumbing the DepthsSeraphichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06251504033428511090noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-13794143558084452612012-12-13T00:06:53.623+00:002012-12-13T00:06:53.623+00:00First of all, I love your description of your neph...First of all, I love your description of your nephew. It sounds like exactly the mental processes of my nephew, who is always up to something, but has so much happy energy! <br /><br />In regards to female power, I agree that we have much more power than we realize over men. When I was the only girl on a team of guys, disapproving glances or simply telling them to spare me their dirty jokes often worked - and didn't stop them from wanting to hang out with me. <br /><br />I think we have more 'sexual' power over men than they do over us, while they may (consciously or not) wield more emotional power over us. <br /><br />Would you mind writing a bit more about how female power can be used for good? I'll admit I've often resorted to the feminine touch (not to call it wiles) pretty much unconsciously to get men to do things for me – mostly move heavy furniture – but I’m not sure what moral shade that has, if any.Urszulahttp://whereismysuitcase.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-37729778386650692622012-12-11T14:05:46.239+00:002012-12-11T14:05:46.239+00:00Lucy,I am glad you have closure, but those are the...Lucy,I am glad you have closure, but those are the most bonkers men I have heard of since the guy who chucked paint at Our Lady of Częstochowa. Catholic guys sent you emails saying "Bad you for going to university where you distract us???" Okay, obviously I suspected they felt threatened their sexual response to women, but I did not know they were actually writing emails complaining about it. Madness! Seraphichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06251504033428511090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-5764698657022118412012-12-11T11:35:05.909+00:002012-12-11T11:35:05.909+00:00Seraphic, this makes so much sense! Thank you! I s...Seraphic, this makes so much sense! Thank you! I spent my university years being not noticed or dated by anybody while simultaneously receiving spiteful emails from Catholic men about how by being at university I was distracting men from their studies. It is doubly annoying to be told over and over that you are a seductress who destroys men just by sitting there when, like, none of the destroyed men actually even know your name, let alone ask you out for coffee, let alone anything else! <br /><br />But this makes sense. The angry guys were Catholic. The guys who didn't notice me weren't religious, had never been told to be The Man, and, as such, were neither threatened nor thrilled (alas) by my presence.<br /><br />Thanks for the closure!Lucyhttp://www.roadkillrhapsody.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-41952116705998622202012-12-11T10:22:41.982+00:002012-12-11T10:22:41.982+00:00Irenaeus, men project a lot of their own insecurit...Irenaeus, men project a lot of their own insecurities about their height, earnings, value, car ownership etc., onto women, another burden women simply do not want or ask for. <br /><br />There is no doubt there are pressures for men to conform to certain standards or to kowtow to the men who do. But they do not originate with women but historically with powerful men and more latterly with advertising agents. <br /><br />That said, every woman is free to reject a man as a suitor for any reason she may see fit, just as no man has to court a woman if he does not want to for any reason he might see fit. If her sexual imagination just cannot thrill to the idea of a man who has no car, well, that's just how her sexual imagination is. She's unlikely to begin a campaign against men who don't own cars. <br /><br />Maria, there is more to female power than "feminine wiles" and it can indeed be used for good. Seraphichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06251504033428511090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-7721148500682428852012-12-11T00:38:00.657+00:002012-12-11T00:38:00.657+00:00The only thing you can manipulate men into doing w...The only thing you can manipulate men into doing with "feminine wiles", as far as I'm concerned, is sleeping with you. I've tried getting some guys to actually date me with the power I think Seraphic is hinting at (it's regrettable and I'm not proud of it, pinkie-swear I will never do it again Seraphic), but it DIDN'T WORK. At all.<br />Using one's attractiveness for power's sake is not exclusive to women and I just don't believe that when women do it, it's somehow more effective...I'm pretty sure no man has ever cried himself to sleep simply because a girl refused to fall into bed with him, no matter how short her skirt was. I have, however, known men who act, say, and do everything necessary to see just how far they can get, and then immediately make tracks once their curiosity is satisfied, oblivious of the broken hearts in their wake. I also have known men who (I suppose) like the ego boost of just having a girl in love with them, even if they would never ever give her a chance. I remember a guy I knew very obviously keeping a poor girl hooked, though anybody could have told her he'd never date her. Looking back now, the memory makes me squirm and I should probably have said something to her. But what?Marianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-5727119784058389472012-12-10T23:59:13.651+00:002012-12-10T23:59:13.651+00:00The kind of paradigm that I'm specifically thi...The kind of paradigm that I'm specifically thinking about is the... well the 'stereotype' that men have to be silent, even emotionless, at least six feet tall, thin and muscular, make over 100 grand a year, etc., etc..<br />I mean, to some extent I think that stereotype is exaggerated, but I don't think it just appeared in a vacuum either.<br />I think that men in general feel a certain social pressure to fit a kind of mold. I won't speculate as to where that pressure comes from, because I think there are probably a lot of variables.Irenaeus G. Saintongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11526551230663069005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-44384552254177595082012-12-10T22:00:57.255+00:002012-12-10T22:00:57.255+00:00Actually, for the past six thousands years (at lea...Actually, for the past six thousands years (at least), men have defined who men are. Sometimes powerful men have indeed enlisted women into their campaigns to convince less-powerful men to do what they want, for example enlisting as soldiers in the First World War. <br /><br />But I would say that it is only in the past sixty years that women have had that much to say--without or in the face of male imput--at all about what men should be. Part of this is because of the sad increase in single-parent families, which cannot be left entirely at women's door.<br /><br />The only place I have ever seen ads for botox with male models, selling botox to men, is in Toronto's Gay Village. <br /><br />Men have a lot to complain about, particularly in wartime, but they do not spend their lives looking behind their shoulder worried that women might attack them, or that the women in their lives will think they are not worth protecting from female violence. Nor do they stand in shops worrying about whether their clothes will be found either too drab or too sexy by the women around, potentially ruining their reputations. Seraphichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06251504033428511090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-44742717226748352442012-12-10T21:29:55.170+00:002012-12-10T21:29:55.170+00:00You were saying that men cannot be allowed to defi...You were saying that men cannot be allowed to define who is and who is not a "real woman". I entirely agree. I've got nothing to add to that.<br />I wonder though, if it might be relevant to also say that women should not define who is and who is not a real man. Is that a comparison that makes sense? Are there potentially ways in which men might feel that sort of pressure (justified or not)?<br /><br />Obviously any of us could talk all day about how the media portrays men and women. I think it's harmful for both sexes. I have to wonder how much of that is affecting young men, even if it manifests itself differently.Irenaeus G. Saintongehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11526551230663069005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-64837498761171802122012-12-10T19:07:26.599+00:002012-12-10T19:07:26.599+00:00Regarding your last sentence, have you ever seen &...Regarding your last sentence, have you ever seen "It Happened One Night"? Eowynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-8372957187441737442012-12-10T17:06:30.700+00:002012-12-10T17:06:30.700+00:00Yes, thank you, Seraphic - I know where to turn fo...Yes, thank you, Seraphic - I know where to turn for plumbing advice! ;-) #lovemesomespambots<br /><br />As for girls not getting nagged a lot - maybe you were better about putting your clothes away than I was, and maybe you didn't have a (wonderful in many ways but) somewhat naggy Grandma living with you who did the laundry... Otherwise, I love this post - especially how funny we are about blind spots - like Gregory about women when he had such a perfect example of how mistaken he was in his own family.<br /><br />Sorry you got harangued - very, very odd what liberties some people will take. Maybe they should think about how they'd want their sisters to be treated. Nziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05611004371935380366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-55361639562789794592012-12-10T16:46:54.335+00:002012-12-10T16:46:54.335+00:00Ah ha ha ha ha! ROFL!Ah ha ha ha ha! ROFL!Seraphichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06251504033428511090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6905236167079601771.post-71531997798092772792012-12-10T15:18:44.167+00:002012-12-10T15:18:44.167+00:00Thanks for posting this information. I really appr...Thanks for posting this information. I really appreciate it. I feel that there are so many things we can learn about plumbers. 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